I'm not actually asking for help on this one, I'm more posting my experience here as encouragment (kind of) if anyone else is having a similar problem with the newest, supposedly stable, version of the Gimp. I put off downloading the new version because I was waiting on a new pc with lots of power and speed and figured I didn't want to bother dealing with new download hassles twice in the same month. Got my new pc squared away, XP not Vista, rocked up to the download site, got meself the shiny new windows binary with installers. Installed it. Opened a png file did some layer work, before I got to save the work the gimp froze, Dr Watson appears to tell me there is a problem, duh, and when I click on the Dr watson button, gimp closes, work lost. This happened about sixty percentage of the time over the next couple of hours, it may be related to the layers because that's when it always happened but then again, layer work was the work I was always doing so maybe it was going to crash regardless. Anyway, I went looking online for solutions. One repeated crash problem was apparently solved by uninstalling everything, installing the gtx environment first on it's own, then installing the new gimp. Tried it. Made no difference. Went to bugzilla, could find no bugs there that resembled my experience but as I just said, maybe the layers dialogue had nothing to do with my crashes, so I can't really be sure. Anyway, the whole situation simply started to annoy me too much so I decided I could do without my shiny new Gimp for a while longer, uninstalled the lot, went and got an older version I had no problems with, went and got all my old scripts from my old sites, got that all sorted and returned to my happy, crash free, Gimping. I'll try 2.4 again in a month or two, maybe the additional development and debugging will resolve whatever my problem is without me ever knowing the details. Till then I'm using what works. Having said I don't actually want any help. If someone reads this and thinks they know exactly what my problem was, I'm all ears. ;D ;D ;D Mythmaven.